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July 07, 2012

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Lisa Austin

Great post as usual. I am really shocked that the Dr says he doesn't share his experience with patients. It almost seems like with holding life-saving drug or procedure. You can communicate w/o "preaching". Also what about advocating diet with his hospital, the staff, his colleagues,etc.?

HLL agree with you that agressive approach is better than small steps. It's really not that hard.

Still I think something is happening. I have heard of friends of friends that have done the diet. At least plant-based although maybe not oil free.

I keep thinking how much energy ( of all kinds) we could save as a nation if more would adopt this way of eating.

The Healthy Librarian

Thanks, Lisa. I think you misunderstood--he meant he doesn't "preach"--as in pontificate to family or friends. That can be very off-putting. It's more lead by example. That was really my fault--I should have made that clearer, when I used his quote. I can see how that quote was ambiguous, & could be misinterpreted to mean patients.

Gil Hanoch

Great post. For the minority that follows a vegan diet but consumes olive oil and plenty of nuts and seeds, it would be useful to see any study that compares the health of vegans with vegans who avoid these fats.

You previously referenced a study that measures the blood flow after consuming these fats, showing a slower flow. I would be happy to see a step further testing the long-term effects. There is a chance that the restriction of the blood flow is temporary and does not have adverse long-term effects.

This is a very important question, since the switch to a healthy diet can be very difficult due to the craving of fat. If one can still eat olive oil and nuts & seeds, that would drop the craving for less healthy oils and most importantly: sugar.

I have a personal experience of dropping 28 pounds in about 3 months, unintentionally, mostly by cutting out sugar and the most unhealthy fats. This was while allowing myself to eat plenty of nuts & seeds and olive oil. Your posts make me worried that despite all the positive effects, I may be still subjecting myself to the risks of heart disease.

Penny

It is so encouraging to see more doctors getting on board. I just can't believe the disconnect between diet and heart disease-- especially among doctors. My aunt recently had a stroke and was served bacon in the rehab hospital!

I attended Colorado VegFest today. Great speakers. It does seem that there are fewer obese people in this state. Lots of bikers, hikers, runners, young people around everywhere.

E26pt2

I don't think I would be motivated one way or another if I learned that my doc followed a plant-based diet. I would tend to respect their advice more, but that would be the extent of it.

I'm in favor of the gradual approach, but to each his own. The Esselstyn plan has been very difficult for me. Despite having fruits and veggies available to me throughout my life and especially as a child, I do not like the taste and texture of most veggies, regardless of how they are prepared. I do love whole grains, so I have no problem adding more whole grains to my diet. The step-by-step approach has worked best for me, because I didn't want to throw away a cupboard full of food in the process of switching over. I haven't had any animal protein since 1995, so meat is a non-issue.

One of the things I'm finding is that many of the "safe foods" listed in the back of Dr. Esselstyn's book are not available in my area. I've cut back on a lot of oils, but I do have a tiny schmear of peanut butter on my whole-wheat toast each morning. I need the protein and the flavor and yes, the fat.

I have no health insurance, so I will be getting a full lipid panel done through the local community center in the next few weeks. It will be interesting to see if the changes I've made will be reflected in the bloodwork. I miss my old diet; I miss the fats...no animal fats, just MUFA's. I miss nuts most of all. Really hoping this diet does the trick for me, as I do not want heart disease. An EKG scare back in April was the impetus.

Anonymous

HI,
Great post! Thanks
I had a heart attack in November of 2009 and had four stents put in my heart. At the first visit after my surgery, I asked my cardiologist if I should be on a diet to help my condition. He told me that he was going to prescribe a pill that would allow me to eat anything I wanted. However, that is exactly what I didn't want.(To paraphrase Eisenhower - "Beware the Pharmaceutical- Industrial Complex) So I did my own research and in February of 2010 after reading several books by Dr. McDougal and Dr. Esseltsyn's book, "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease", I went cold turkey and instantly changed my diet, overnight. I cut out ALL flesh and animal products, all oil and 95% of the processed sugar I used to eat. I am now a vegan and only occasionally at special times will indulge in the old ways.

I had been put on a statin at first but after research, I ask my primary care doctor to take me off the statin, indicating to him that I believed I could get my cholesterol levels down by my diet. And I have succeeded to get them down. The only medicine I take is a baby aspirin a day. My initial total cholesterol level in December of 2009 was 190. In February of 2010, while on simvastatin, the total cholesterol level was 107. In April of 2010, no longer on a statin, my total cholesterol level was 113. My latest blood pressure was 120/62 and resting heart rate was 64. By the way, I'm 65 as of June, 2012.

At home it is no problem maintaining the diet, although I'm the only one doing it. It is more difficult when I go out or am invited to a home but I have managed well to stay on track.

What made it possible to change overnight was
1) the wake up call of a heart attack,
2) the well thought out and documented education I received from the doctors I read, (it made sense)
3) The same diet that can cause a heart attack can cause a stroke (this was huge for me)
4) it fits my personality type. (The nurse who cared for me after the heart attack told me that he thought I was a Type A personality - I denied it)
I don't preach the diet but will share with anyone who wants to know about it. People do notice when you don't heap your plate with meat.
Keep up the good work.

Anonymous

Hi, Debby,

The post re the cardiologists was so interesting! It's exciting to see that physicians, especially cardiologists, are changing their diets.

To answer your question at the end, I made major changes each time - first to vegetarian in 1984, then vegan in 1997, then in 2003 Eat to Live, which is my current diet (no oil, 1 - 2 oz. nuts & seeds/day, tons of veggies, fruits, & beans, 2 - 3 servings whole grains/day but no wheat) .

Each time was a leap, but the leaps were spaced pretty far apart.

It seems that those who make the leap to low-fat, plant-based diets are more likely to make long lasting change while those who try the gradual approach go back to their old ways.

It is hard to keep the changes going unless you lose your taste for those unhealthy foods through a period of abstinence. That said it can often take a while for people to be ready to change, so even those who take the class but don't make a big leap at that point may later have an epiphany and then really do it.

I always recommend Dr. Esselstyn's book in my classes for those with heart disease or a family history as his evidence is so clear and compelling!

Silvia

Thanks a lot for this post! Very interesting!

I need to change completely otherwise I tend to slip at first slowly then completely.
But I was already eating vegan and grappling with vegan + gluten free (which was very difficult for me) when I decided to try the no added oil eating. I was inspired by your blog an the changes you experienced. I cannot thank you enough for sharing this valuable information.
As I write this I notice that I made a 100% change in my head but in practice I had a teaspoon of olive oil in the frying pan for quite a time. But I find that I cannot make the decision to only reduce - that does not work for me.
Going vegan but eating junk food lowered my total cholesterol to about 170 (my cholesterol a few years earlier was 260 / BMI about 21 which shocked me very much). Going oil free (with some walnuts, avocados, olives...)it went down to 153. But my HDL (80)was actually higer than the LDL (70) which was pretty astonishing. I use 2 tablespoons flaxmeal every morning. That and the walnuts must have tipped the balance. CRP was under the detection limit...
Following your blog and the info you post I think that it is not so much the cholesterol numbers but endothelial function and inflammation that are important factors. And I can influence them by the way I eat and not by using drugs.
At the beginning of 'no added oil' I craved (and ate)higher fat foods as olives quite a lot. But about a year into this kind of eating I only wanted smaller portions of high fat foods and find I feel unwell after for example eating a whole avocado.
I still find it very interesting that I now eat in a way I found completely unattainable when I first read the China Study even more impossible than eating vegan. And now it has become quite normal and the way of eating I feel good with.

Anonymous


If you learned that your doctor followed a plant-based diet--would that motivate you to change your diet?

What do you think works best? The step-by-step approach to making diet changes, or doing it all at once?

Interesting question, because each of my husband and my doctors ARE following a plant based diet themselves! In my case, it was AFTER I told my doctor why my LDL had come down a lot that she told me she had made the same choice after seeing the same DVD (Forks Over Knives)! So she didn't influence me or motivate me to change, but I was certainly happy to know that she and I were on the same page! In my husband's case, it was a year before he made the change that he realized his doctor was a believer in plant based eating because the doctor had given him a vegan food guide pyramid to ponder. (Also I had been a health conscious consumer serving a 'healthy' plate for years with increasingly less meat so in his view, we were 'already' moving in this direction. By the time he saw FOK with me, it was - his words - an easy and convincing choice to make.) Both of us feel incredibly lucky that our two doctors and we are on the same page, and it makes what they recommend have added believability for us.

We made an 'all at once' change last fall. (In my husband's view we had been eating a diet that was more healthy than the conventional western diet for years, so the change seemed gradual to him compared to some of the other examples we have heard about.

Also since we started last fall, we have made additional changes (eg. less oil and sugar). All that said, I think making gradual changes leaves one open to back sliding over time unless one has regular inspiration, support and encouragement (like the Esselstyns provided for his original study patients). Of course, that sale level of support helps anyone making an all-at-once change, too!

Our results: I've lost 5 lbs and my LDL went from a high of 191 to 119. DH has lost lost 14 lbs, his LDL went from 149 to 114 and he feels more energetic. Both of us have normal blood pressure, glucose levels, weight and BMI.

Thanks HEAPS for your wonderful blog! I mentally salivate when I see it pop up!

Dawn

Thanks D!--That was informative. Interesting thoughts from all three. I was particularly interested in the cholesterol --diet/liver discussion. I have always thought this would be hard to measure in people that eat typical diet.
I am renewing my zeal to stick with my no-oil whole foods style of eating and very much appreciate your blog. Thanks again!

Ramona

About a year ago I saw Forks over Knives. I immediately read both Dr Esselstyn's and Dr Colin Campbel's books and both made complete sense to me. I made a total change in my diet, no moderation.

I've lost 65 lbs in the last year. I feel like myself again.. not like the old woman I was becoming before I made the change...

I haven't had any blood tests in the last year. I'm sure my numbers are much improved... how could they not be? But, in a way, the numbers matter less than the fact that I feel so much better; no more arthritis, painful knees, feet, constant low-grade weariness. The benefits are so dramatic that I don't need numbers to convince me.. I'm already there. Good numbers would simply be, can I say "icing on the cake"?

My doctor recently retired and so I am looking for a new one. I will be interviewing him/her about their belief in the effects of nutrition on health. I have new standards now regarding the confidence I place in my doctor.

I so appreciate your blog and particularly each bit of evidence you find that the medical community is realizing the benefits of good nutrition. I expect a tipping point will arrive when the general public reaches the same conclusion.

Silvia

After listening to the interview with Dr. Katz I think I understand what he considers small steps best for change and motivation.
I would actually recommend to friends something like 'eat one - two cups of vegetables for each meal' etc. I think this might work for people who consider this kind of 'radical' change simply impossible. This would be something like changing habits in small steps which works really well for me in other fields.

And I was eating vegan and gluten free when I decided to skip the oil and this can be considered a change in smaller steps. Still I consider myself a person who cannot do things by half. I have to commit completely but I also have to consider the change possible.

But for people with manifest heart disease I think the Esselstyn way is the best. It takes far less self discipline to simply eliminate whole food groups than to take in small portions of them and live with cravings and poor results. And you have to take full measures to get really good results.

Thinking back I do not know how or why I managed this type of change when I never before even managed to stay completely vegetarian or vegan for more than about a month...

Charles McCool

Really interesting topic. I am surprised about the no-oil but certainly there is no dispute about a plant based diet being beneficial. The cholesterol finding is fascinating, also. Best wishes!

mistah charley, ph.d.

I am sorry that the cardiologists wish to conceal their identities, but it is understandable given what the leading figures in their field think. Specifically, here's something from Gordon F. Tomaselli, MD, Chief, Division of Cardiology, Johns Hopkins Hospital, President of the American Heart Association 2011-2012, speaking at JHH on "Prevention of Heart Disease: What Should I Be Doing?"

3/22/2012 9:49 AM EDT Length: 01:23:22

At 44 minutes, in response to a question from the audience:

"I'm sorry - whole foods based diet?"

"I've heard anecdotal reports of people who've gone to complete vegan diets, for example. Not many of my patients really can do that. But I think the message here should NOT be that I need to go to a complete vegan diet to consider this a successful intervention. What you need to do, is just make sure those things that aren't optimal, you do a little better job at. Lower the caloric intake. Lower the amount of salt in your diet. Increase exercise a little bit more. And that can be progressive over time. For people who have the worst coronary heart disease, diet alone usually doesn't fix the problem."

Although we can't hear the questioner, it is likely that they are better informed than the President of the American Heart Association, who has "heard anecdotal reports" when he could have read papers published in peer-reviewed journals. His view that "not many of my patients can do that" is a common prejudice, not one based on evidence. His impression about the lack of efficacy of diet in the most serious cases is contradicted by the same papers he has only heard anecdotes about, rather than read.

Jill Princehouse

I think it's best to go 100%. You get fast results that encourage you to keep with it.

I did it without my doctor's support. I wish my diet and health results would encourage my doctor to try it. I have a genetically atrocious lipid picture and yet my vessels are clear. Follow Essy's ANTIINFLAMMATORY plant-based diet to the letter and anyone's vessels will clear despite a bad genetically-induced lipid profile. It's different food than an animal-based, but it's delicious food.

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